[mythtv-users] THIS IS A NON-COMMERCIAL MAILING LIST (WAS: Re: Torc for iOS - Application Submitted to the App Store for Review)

[Gavin Hurlbut]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Simon Hobson <linux at thehobsons.co.uk> wrote:
> And if we're being pedantic, then look at the wording : "... advertisement
> or support of any commercial products, whether they be MythTV related or
> not"
>
> So no discussion of support of cable services, satellite services,
> commercial streaming services, commercial listing services, tuner cards,
> remote controls, hard disks, video cards, TVs, the list goes on. Doesn't
> exactly leave a lot to discuss !

If I see a cable company advertising in here, I'd be saying the same
thing.  This list isn't for commercial use, it is for user support
discussions for MythTV.

> Just for good measure, discussion of hooking up a satellite/cable/whatever
> box via analogue to a capture card breaches the DMCA - but it's discussed
> openly. The use of CableCards is discussed openly, but discussion of CAM/CI
> is forbidden even where it is perfectly legal (yes I do understand where
> that comes from, but still ...)

Recording from analog is not a breach of the DMCA in any way I have
ever heard.  That's perfectly legitimate use of the signal they
provide.  The use of CAM/CI is not forbidden.  Discussion of misusing,
sharing, bypassing CAM/CI is forbidden.  You are not correct here :)

Anyways.  Robert was well aware of the policy in this list (as he used
to help enforce it).  If people want to make this into more than it is
(a restatement of long-standing policy), well...  They are missing the
point.

MythTV is an open-source project, run completely by people who
volunteer their spare time (and loads of it, I might add) to produce
what is pretty much a commercial-quality product.  Yes, we have a ways
to go in some areas, but that's life.  This list is provided for the
support of *this* project.  Any non-official MythTV projects that are
*non-commercial* have been mostly tolerated here, even though they
technically are off-topic.  We draw the line at commercial ventures
advertising in our lists.  We also have drawn the line (long ago) at
people advertising to sell their personal PC or MythTV-related parts
(like tuners) on this list.

The rule is *NO* commercial activity on our lists.

If you as a user want to point other users to a useful product (or the
like), that falls in the grey area of "user support".  You are not the
vendor.  As a vendor, if you posted "hey, I have this new related
product.  If you are interested, contact me off-list", that might even
be acceptable...  or the like.  Neither of those cases are what
happened here.

Granted, we are all suffering from raw nerves at this point.