[mythtv-users] Who's going to be the first?

MacNean Tyrrell dardack at gmail.com
Fri Sep 3 15:35:30 UTC 2010


On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Greg Oliver <oliver.greg at gmail.com> wrote:

>  On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Craig Treleaven <ctreleaven at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> > At 4:46 PM -0500 9/2/10, jedi wrote:
> >>On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 03:58:15PM -0400, Craig Treleaven wrote:
> >>> At 2:11 PM -0500 9/2/10, jedi wrote:
> >>> >On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 04:31:56PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> >>> >> jedi wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >    Even something as simple as some home videos can be legacy
> content.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >    Apple's approach to content is infact user hostile when it
> comes to
> >>> >> >basic simple things that an end user might have lying around. You
> don't
> >>> >> >have to be a "geek" to have some video files that you might have
> created
> >>> >> >or saved or gotten from someone else.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Ahh, but Apple have that sewn up too - you import it into iMovie,
> >>> >
> >>> >    No you don't. iMovie just barfs on it.
> >>> >
> >>> >    Most people aren't in a good position to see this for themselves.
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> So your camcorder isn't one of the few hundred supported by iMovie?
> >>> https://support.apple.com/kb/HT3290
> >>
> >>    I was talking about FILES.
> >>
> >>    This is not the "we've already bought into only ever using Apple
> >>devices for anything we do" use case.
> >
> > I'm sorry, you'll have to write in English.  iMovie supports the files
> created by a wide range of camcorders.  You may have one that it doesn't
> support but that doesn't make your experience universal.
> >
> >> >
> >>> > > export it in the right format, and then stream it through your
> Apple
> >>> >> TV. I think that we can expect updates to all the relevant i<stuff>
> >>> >> to add the right support bits, if it's not already there, so once
> >>> >> you have it on your computer it's "one click" to make it available
> >>> >> to your Apple TV.
> >>> >
> >>> >    Any device that can read a NAS fileshare already does it. Just
> drop
> >>> >it in the right location and all of your work is done. You don't have
> to
> >>> >"import" anything or "transcode" anything. It kind of "just works".
> >>> >
> >>> >    That is the beauty of open systems and hardware and software that
> are
> >>> >designed to just play whatever you happen to have (VLC, popcorn hour,
> any
> >>> >Windows/Linux equivalent of iMovie).
> >>> >
> >>> What proportion of the population do you think is able to set up a NAS
> >>server, acquire (download, import, whatever) video to be stored there,
> >>
> >>...actually it's pretty darn trivial with Windows.
> >>
> >>You right click on a folder and you futz around with the menus.
> >>
> >>It's not exactly rocket surgery.
> >>
> >>Some people insist on making simple ideas and simple GUI interfaces into
> >>something much more scary then the really are. All this does is make end
> >>users afraid of their own shadow and unable to deal with ANY interface.
> >>
> >>[deletia]
> >>
> >>Robust software and hardware that takes a no-excuses approach to playing
> >>stuff makes this sort of thing inherently easy. There is nothing to futz
> >>around with because your player doesn't try to get in your way.
> >
> > What dream world do you live in?  The real world is overrun with an
> alphabet soup of video and audio formats and technologies.  I bought a
> Zensonic Z500 6 years ago and struggled to get it to play a few things
> acceptably.  The situation is only marginally better today.  If you glance
> at the support boards, people are constantly struggling to get format X to
> play on hardware Y.  And we're the experienced, technically sophisticated
> folks that have invested significant time in deciphering all the secret
> codes.  We're like the hot rod builders that worry whether the differential
> ratio should be 7:6 or 1:1.  Nobody else has a clue and they really don't
> want to know.
>
> You know why (let me give you a hint) - it is *not* becase of lack of
> hardware support..  It is _because_ of companies like apple not
> willing to negotiate on anything but 264/AAC for their codes..  force
> feeding the masses...
>
> > We live in a world where oh-so-few people know how to set a tab stop in
> their word processor.  They pound away on the space bar and complain that
> they have too much work.  You expect them to spend their leisure time
> connecting disparate bits of hardware and software and trouble-shooting
> arcane incompatibilities?
>
> it's all politics..  techincal politics..
>
> >>The Apple approach is only easy if you are willing to fully adapt to how
> >>they want you to do things and to never deviate from that.
> >
> > Bingo.  Because it will work without hassle.  Apple's betting they can
> make some money this way.  I'm not sure what they're offering is *easy
> enough* for the mass market but they are one of the few companies positioned
> to even take a shot at it.
> bac
> Yep - work *their* way..  Try moving their end product elsewhere
> (after they force you to disable cabac, etc to make stuff work on
> their underpowered hardware..  Skipping forward anf backward is next
> to impossible due to the lack of reference frames once you dumb down a
> video enough to get it to play...
>
> >> > BTW, what is the "Window/Linux equivalent of iMovie"?  I've put
> together a few videos with iMovie and I've yet to see anything remotely as
> easy to use.
> >>
> >>    Just about any Win32 shareware/nagware/commercial video editor is
> more than
> >>the equal of iMovie. There is squat that is magical about it. If
> anything, it's
> >>insistence on bad workflow and poor format support is a big negative.
> >>
> >>    iMovie is more complete than Linux equivalents in areas other than
> format
> >>support, but that's not really saying much.
> >
> > You're long on generalities and devoid of any specifics--I don't think
> you have any experience whatsoever.  Uninformed Apple-bashing is a hobby for
> you, is it?
>
> I could run windows movie maker in wine if I wanted - get about the
> same biased result....
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Never messed with Imovie myself.  But Kdenlive (sorry not at home i think
that's how it's spelled) is an excellent Video Editor For Linux.  To me it
works better than Movie Maker and has more options.  Just my 2cents tho.

-- 
Sincerely,

MacNean C. Tyrrell
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