[mythtv-users] MS media center

Greg Oliver oliver.greg at gmail.com
Fri Feb 26 22:30:18 UTC 2010

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Christopher Meredith
<chmeredith at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Kevin Kuphal <kkuphal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Christopher Meredith <chmeredith at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Raymond Wagner <raymond at wagnerrp.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> On 2/26/2010 16:09, Dean Collins wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Does anyone know how Microsoft get their media center tv guide
>>> >> information?
>>> >>
>>> >> Microsoft licenses it, and provides it for free to users who have
>>> >> purchased
>>> >> Windows MCE, for use specifically and only with Windows MCE.  It's
>>> >> basically
>>> >> the same thing as SchedulesDirect has set up with TMS, but it is paid
>>> >> for in
>>> >> the cost of the program, rather than yearly dues.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > There is a program out there to convert the ms epg format to xmltv
>>> > format. Can't recall the name...
>>> It's called mc2xml and I've written up a MythTV howto guide here:
>>> http://monopedilos.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mc2xml
>>> I've been using this script and method, unmodified, since summer 2008.
>>> It's wonderful. And since this has come up in the past, there is
>>> nothing illegal about this AT ALL. At worst, it's a violation of the
>>> EULA of Windows MCE, but that's only even relevant if you have
>>> accepted an MCE EULA. Otherwise, there is nothing WHATSOEVER illegal
>>> about this.
>> IANAL so I can't speak to that but that also hasn't stopped many a company
>> from dictating what you can and cannot do with the data they provide you for
>> specific uses.
> I'm not a lawyer either, but I will be in August. ;-) And companies
> can restrict the use of data they provide, but they do so in the form
> of licences. The MCE EULA (which is a form of a contract which you
> must ACCEPT to be bound to) says that you can only access their
> servers with MCE. But the data is not copyrighted (at least not by
> Microsoft or Zap2It) and as long as you have not accepted the MCE
> EULA, there's nothing to violate.
> Bill mentioned morality. At best, the only negative argument about
> morality I can think of is that Microsoft doesn't want people using
> its data without paying for a MS product and someone might condier it
> immoral to use data contrary to the wishes of its provider. If you
> fall into this camp, you should seriously consider whether it's even
> morally right to use a homebrew DVR software at all, something the
> content providers clearly do not want you doing.
> At the end of the day, the MCE servers are open, unencrypted, and
> freely accessible to anyone. Using mc2xml does not violate copyright
> and does not implicate the DMCA. At worst, it's a violation of a
> contract of adhesion (the MCE EULA), but ONLY if you have accepted it.
> Even then, it is practically unenforceable.

I just setup my vista virtual machine (laptop supplied) MCE for NZ and
postal code 2022 in Aukland.  It all looked well, packet captures
showed it was going to data.tvdownload.microsoft.com, and them came
back and said guide data is not available for my location, so I guess
MCE does not provide the EPG for NZ..  Unless there is a better postal
code to try??  I'm not from there...


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