[mythtv-users] MythCloud, think bigger think outside the box
Michael T. Dean
mtdean at thirdcontact.com
Tue Nov 24 19:30:40 UTC 2009
On 11/24/2009 06:14 AM, Bill Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Robert McNamara
>> Sadly, I suspect I
>> am about to get shouted down for this post. THIS
>> IDEA IS NOT LEGAL. THIS IDEA IS NOT PERMITTED DISCUSSION ON THIS
>> LIST. YOU have nothing to lose from the project getting sued and/or
>> the authors of the project being help liable for facilitating illegal
>> activity, *I DO*.
> Will you reply this response to the next person asking about dvd playback?
DVD playback is legal. MythTV supports playing and ripping unencrypted
non-copyrighted DVD's. MythTV does /not/ support playing encrypted
DVD's. Since all commercial, copyrighted DVD's that I have ever seen
use CSS encryption, Myth doesn't support playing and ripping commercial,
Some users--often in violation of local laws, and /always/ in violation
of the DVD CCA licensing terms--install libdvdcss to allow them to break
the technical protections on the DVD disks. /They/ may be adding code
to their systems that breaks the encryption, but it's not Myth adding
that code nor Myth breaking the encryption. (Keep reading before you
say, "But that's what he said, 'Let's set up a service with no legal use
and make it so that the users violate the law so that we can't be
stopped.'" because this is not my argument, but only a fact that
provides foundation for my argument.)
This approach they're using is basically the same as the approach some
Blu-Ray owners are taking of installing a program on a Windows box that
breaks the Blu-Ray encryption and rips the video to an unencrypted MPEG
stream. The only difference is that DVD users can do the DVD decryption
on a *nix box.
So, with that in mind, what do you want? A worm inside MythTV that
seeks out all computers with libdvdcss installed and destroys it? Code
in MythTV (an /open-source/ project) that disables DVD playback if it
detects libdvdcss is installed? (It's not like a patch to remove that
code wouldn't be placed on the 'net in minutes--or, for that matter,
reverse-applying the commit would remove it.)
There's also a thriving community of people stealing satellite service
who are using MythTV with patches that add support for softcam and other
methods of illegal access. There's /nothing/ that Myth can do to
prevent this or the illegal DVD decryption. We can, however, state a
policy that we do /not/ support stealing video and try to convince our
users and the list users to at least discuss any nefarious activities
Basically, come up with some good and enforceable way of preventing a
user from playing or ripping a commercial copyrighted DVD while still
allowing them to play or rip non-commercial and/or self-copyrighted
DVD's and I'd be happy to apply it.
This is why I don't use my Myth box to play DVD's.
And, now, my argument against the "MythCloud": We /can/ stop people
from discussing this illegal distribution mechanism on the list.
Therefore, we are attempting to do so.
And, I hope--if someone decides to pursue this idea--that the owner of
the MythTV project forces that person to remove all association with the
MythTV project (including forcing them to rename their "service").
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