[mythtv-users] desktop environment efficiencies.

[Richard Morton]

I forgot to mention my real point... it's about making a set-top box
experience.

What is everyones experience with sleep/hibernate and myth?

R


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2009/11/14 Richard Morton <richard.e.morton at gmail.com>

> > On a system that is just
> > running mythtv and has a 1 - 2 GB of RAM this really isn't an issue. I
> > know there are still lots of people on older hardware with < 512 MB or
> > RAM. But at some point you have to wonder is this worth the hassle or
> > is my time better used by spending $15 on a stick of RAM and enjoying
> > the convenience of a modern desktop.
> <author snips>
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>
> > Very good points--it's not 1999, anymore.  And thanks for the follow-up
> on my desktop > manager guesses.
>
> fair enough, but many of us are still using myth on older hardware that
> cant take more memory. My second F/E is an SP13000 in a fairly expensive
> heat-pipe case to make it completely fanless... It's a nice case and I am a
> little reluctant to admit it isn't up to the job anymore and in my head
> write-off the purchase - it still seems fit for purpose, just.
>
> The SP13000 is running the max 512MB of ram with some shared for video; and
> using XvMC with myth 0.21 on Karmic Xubuntu.
>
> So 100MB is 100MB and could make a fair difference...
>
> R
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> Thanks And Regards,
>
> Richard Morton
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> 2009/11/14 Nick Rout <nick.rout at gmail.com>
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Michael T. Dean
>> <mtdean at thirdcontact.com> wrote:
>> > On 11/14/2009 04:10 PM, Johnny wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree that a Desktop Environment is a waste.  And--though I'm
>> guessing
>> >>> on
>> >>> this--I /think/ that with any of the major Myth distros, you can
>> >>> configure
>> >>> them to show the Desktop Manager (i.e. GDM or KDM) on bootup rather
>> than
>> >>> automatically logging in, then you can select a Window Manager
>> >>> (FluxBox/RatPoison/twm/fcwm...) or Desktop Environment
>> (GNOME/KDE/XFCE)
>> >>> for
>> >>> your X session--depending on how you plan to use the system during
>> that
>> >>> session.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's not exactly what you want--but it's not too far from it (and only
>> >>> requires logout/login to switch).
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I know that with GDM when you change your session it prompts you to
>> >> see if you want to use that session as default. So it is easy to
>> >> change your default session to whatever window manager or desktop you
>> >> want.
>> >>
>> >> This is my personal opinion, but I think a lot of folks worry about
>> >> this stuff out of habits from the past rather than any real benefit to
>> >> the user experience, power, etc. Xfce or even Gnome are going to use
>> >> somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-100 MB. On a system that is just
>> >> running mythtv and has a 1 - 2 GB of RAM this really isn't an issue. I
>> >> know there are still lots of people on older hardware with < 512 MB or
>> >> RAM. But at some point you have to wonder is this worth the hassle or
>> >> is my time better used by spending $15 on a stick of RAM and enjoying
>> >> the convenience of a modern desktop. I have a combined FE/BE and I
>> >> have been thinking about switching from Xfce back to Gnome just so
>> >> things are cleaner and nicer looking when I am occasionally doing
>> >> stuff outside of myth. I have 2 GB of memory and I just don't think it
>> >> is going to have any impact on my user experience inside of mythtv. If
>> >> you are someone that likes to tweak things to get a minimalist setup,
>> >> then more power to you. But for the average user on a modern system it
>> >> going to be easiest to just stick with the default setup.
>> >
>> > Very good points--it's not 1999, anymore.  And thanks for the follow-up
>> on
>> > my desktop manager guesses.
>> >
>> > One additional point, though--some Window Managers used by Desktop
>> > Environments may impact Myth usage.  (Where "some" is read as
>> "Compiz"--its
>> > use of OpenGL may cause issues with OpenGL/VDPAU/... in Myth. ;)  But
>> note
>> > that you should be able to change the Window Manager used within the
>> Desktop
>> > Environment.  If you don't see issues with it, using such a Window
>> Manager
>> > is not a problem, but if you do, try switching Window Managers (even
>> within
>> > the Desktop Environment).
>> >
>>
>> as a data point i run mythbuntu and therefore xfce on a p4 2.8GHz with
>> 512M Ram. I see no issues arising out of mem usage for the desktop. I
>> wouldn't bother with trying gnome or kde though.
>>
>> I have used ratpoison on a gentoo setup on much lower hardware and it
>> was fine too.
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