[mythtv-users] Playback with xine?

[Robert McNamara]

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:32 PM, jedi <jedi at mishnet.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 06:21:18PM -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM, jedi <jedi at mishnet.org> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 06:12:18PM -0800, Robert McNamara wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:05 PM, jedi <jedi at mishnet.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:51:42AM +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Robert McNamara
>> >> >> <robert.mcnamara at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> *sets mind to thinking* - is it logical to restrict users to Internal
>> >> >> >> for recordings when freedom of choice is give in mythvideo?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > External players for recordings/Live TV is the LAST thing I would want
>> >> >> > to see, personally.  I'd be happier seeing external player support go
>> >> >> > away in MythVideo.  I've made the case for such before but (as I am
>> >> >> > likely about to hear) people would fuh-reak out.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > External player support is a legacy option from when the internal
>> >> >> > player had limited codec and container support.  In many MANY ways
>> >> >> > now, the internal player is more capable than even mplayer, and
>> >> >> > maintains the look and feel of myth throughout.  There are lots of
>> >> >> > people who use (or moved in the past to) an external player because of
>> >> >> > this reason, or because of a tiny bit of extra speed you can eke out
>> >> >> > of a player with a more limited OSD/which does not read-write a
>> >> >> > seektable/etc.  With the dawning of multithreaded/hardware accelerated
>> >> >> > playback, this is becoming less and less relevant.    Then there's the
>> >> >> > crowd who have minor issues with a container format (I'm looking at
>> >> >> > *you*, MKV) who switch to get proper seeking *without* ever making an
>> >> >> > effort to get the seeking fixed in MythTV (the MKV file is
>> >> >> > semi-broken, a stream copy into a fresh container will fix seeking).
>> >> >> > Yeah, I have some strong feelings on the matter.  I'd love to see the
>> >> >> > external player support done away with entirely when playback becomes
>> >> >> > trivial.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Oh, and I want to see framegrabber support/support for PVR-350 video
>> >> >> > out go away too.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > FLAME ON!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Robert
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Likewise I knew my post would not be uncontroversial :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I tried to switch mythvideo to Internal some time ago and it didn't
>> >> >> work for a significant number of avi files let alone mkv's, so I
>> >> >
>> >> >     Nevermind the frills. The internal player has problems just playing
>> >> > stuff. It's pretty easy to throw something that will make it puke or
>> >> > generate results that will make you want to puke. Being able to use
>> >> > a different player in mythvideo is VERY handy.
>> >> >
>> >> >     Lack of bookmarks is a minor nuissance but you can't argue with
>> >> > files that don't play right.
>> >> >
>> >> > [deletia]
>> >> >
>> >> >     Removing the external player feature in mythvideo seems to be a
>> >> > dubious benefit and an obvious loss.
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>> >>
>> >> Can you link your bug reports and sample submissions for those files?
>> >
>> >    It's only a problem because you want to make it a problem.
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>>
>> It's not a problem at all, my files all play fine.  :)
>>
>> But you'd be helping yourself and others if you submit reports w/ logs
>> and samples...
>
>    I don't use the internal player, so the point is moot. The point has
> been moot for a long time and several versions. That ship sailed a long
> time ago. I don't see any point in revisiting the issue or being forced
> to revisit the issue.
>
>    My use of mythvideo is already built on not using the internal player
> and WAF in my house depends on how things are already set up.
>
>    I can "torment the internal player for science" but I can't include
> any samples.
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OK.  Nobody's obliging you to submit bug reports or samples, but it's
not exactly fair to talk about the Internal Player in the present
tense if you switched out of it several versions ago.  If you're
speaking from current experience and I'm misunderstanding, just dd off
a couple dozen megs, attach it to a bug report and someone will
undoubtedly look at it.  It won't take but a moment of your time, no
need to disrupt the WAF.  And if the experience isn't current, then at
least have the courtesy not to speak against the Internal player as it
stands now.  Only fair...

Robert