[mythtv-users] mythwelcome and shutdown/wakeup

[James Hood]

----- Original Message ----
> From: Michelle Dupuis <support at ocg.ca>
> To: Myth TV Users List <mythtv-users at mythtv.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:58:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] mythwelcome and shutdown/wakeup
> 
> There is a script on www.generationd.com which allows mythshutdown
> to
> 
 set
> the next wakeup time for the EARLIER of: the next scheduled
> recording,
> 
 or
> the recommended EPG update time.
> 
> Very handy!
> 
> MD 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org 
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Ma Begaj
> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:20 PM
> > To: Myth TV Users List
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] mythwelcome and shutdown/wakeup
> > 
> > 2008/1/20, John Veness :
> > > James Hood wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm working on building my first myth box and I'm very 
> > impressed with the functionality and quality of the software 
> > so far. I have two questions related to the auto 
> > shutdown/wakeup feature of mythtv.
> > > >
> > > > First, does mythbackend take into account the next time it is 
> > > > supposed to grab EPG data when it calculates the next 
> > wakeup time? I found this post from June 2007 which provides 
> > a SetAlarm script that goes through the pain of searching the 
> > mythfilldatabase log for the next suggested update time, 
> > checks if  it's sooner than when mythbackend wants to wake 
> > the box up and uses the closer time as the wakeup time.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/280050?search_str
> > > > ing=acpi;#280050
> > > >
> > > > I'm hoping that mythbackend does this automatically in 
> > 0.20 (or maybe in svn)?
> > > >
> > > > Second, I noticed on a box that's both a frontend and 
> > backend, that mythbackend won't auto-shutdown the box if 
> > mythfrontend is running, even if mythfrontend has been 
> > sitting idle at the menu screen for a long period of time. 
> > I've read about mythwelcome, but as far as I can tell, it 
> > seems like more of a workaround. Frankly, the mythwelcome 
> > screen is very confusing for someone who doesn't know 
> > anything about how myth works, i.e., my wife. To me, the 
> > ultimate user friendly experience would be to not have 
> > mythwelcome at all, and to have some way for mythbackend to 
> > know if the frontend (or any frontend) has been sitting idle 
> > at a menu for X number of minutes and initiate shutdown of 
> > the box then. I know the coding of that may be more complex, 
> > but I think the current scheme surfaces far too much detail 
> > to the user.
> > > >
> > > > I couldn't find any discussion about this in the archives 
> > so I hope this isn't something that's already been talked 
> > about, but if not, I'd be interested in discussing more 
> > user-friendly possibilities. I'm willing to put my money 
> > where my mouth is and contribute some code, but I didn't know 
> > if there was a good reason why it's implemented the way it is.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > James
> > >
> > > When I first came across mythwelcome, I too thought that it 
> > was a bit 
> > > of a kludge. Why does there have to be a separate 
> > executable, just to 
> > > let the backend know that noone is running the frontend. Couldn't 
> > > instead the top-level screen of mythfrontend act as a welcome/idle 
> > > screen? Or as you suggest, some sort of idle timer, so it doesn't 
> > > matter if the user does not navigate up to the top-level.
> > >
> > > Anyway, since then I've just accepted things are the way 
> > that they are.
> > > I've told my wife that she needs to Esc out until it will go no 
> > > further, and soon the box will automatically shutdown if 
> > it's not recording etc.
> > > and it seems acceptable.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > John
> > 
> > I am xscreensaver and a small perl script to handle this. 
> > When the screensaver turns black (blank), a perl script is 
> > started which kills mythfrontend. there is somewhere on the
> list
> 
 here.
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Thanks for the link. Just to answer my original first question, I looked at the code and mythbackend does *not* take the next time it will grab Program Guide data into account when calculating the next startup time. It only looks at the next time it is scheduled to record a program. The good news is when the backend does eventually start, if it is past the scheduled time to get Program Guide data, it will grab the data then. So it's not broken, but it might be nice to have the option to wakeup the system to get EPG data.

James
 
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