[mythtv-users] Let's get our heads straight here on listings solutions

Jay R. Ashworth jra at baylink.com
Fri Jun 22 17:44:41 UTC 2007


On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 12:48:46PM -0400, Joe Borne wrote:
>    OK, I have watched for a few days and I had to chime in here.

Please find the "HTML" knob on your mail client and turn it off; k?

>    This idea of getting all TV stations to post their listings is
>    deeply flawed because it places the burden or all the work on the
>    TV stations and gives them absolutely nothing in return.

Please pay attention to the threads?  They *already* do the work, and
they *PAY TRIBUNE MEDIA* for the privilege.

>                                                                They have
>    ZERO motivation to help us

They want viewers to watch (and record, since Nielsen cares now) their
programs.  Our having valid sked data is a perfectly sound motivation.

>                                 and in fact the most powerful of all
>    motivations not to - laziness. An effort such as this would require
>    HUGE amounts of energy from us and would produce next to zero
>    results because the stations get nothing out of it. Now, the folks
>    who are discussing ways to get large vendors such as Yahoo, Google,
>    Amazon etc involved with the enticement of a commercial opportunity
>    are on the right track.

Until *those* vendors decide that their interests aren't ours, as TMS
already has.

>    The psychological fact is - every entity, whether an individual or
>    corporation is 100% selfishly motivated. Even people who give their
>    lives to performing charitable works (yes, even GPL stuff) fall in
>    this category because what they do makes them feel spiritually or
>    psychologically fulfilled. They are still getting a payoff.

Sure.  If you think we don't get that, you haven't been reading all of
every message in these 4 thread, as I have.

>    If we want a long term, robust solution that gets better every
>    year - find a way for someone to make money, or get a similarly
>    satisfying reward doing it. Since corporations produce and control
>    this data, and they care not for spiritual needs, appeal to their
>    primary motivator - profit.

Wasn't planning to appeal to their better natures.

Was planning to get their software vendors to toss the export feature
in as a selling point -- even if we have to find a way to pay said
vendors to do it -- then make the business case to the stations.

>    This is the most effective, and yes _moral_ way of solving this.
>    There is nothing more moral than rewarding someone for providing
>    something to you that you value, except perhaps being the provider.

Sure.

You're preaching to the choir, you just weren't reading the sheet
music.  :-)

Cheers,
-- jra
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