[mythtv-users] Mythbackend causing high load

Mike Benoit ipso at snappymail.ca
Mon Jun 26 03:18:48 UTC 2006


Sorry, I forgot to attach the vmstat output for the same time period and
the disk information. As you will notice the IO is minimal when the high
load occurs.

[root at mythtv ~]# hdparm -i /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
 Model=ST3300622A, FwRev=3.AND, SerialNo=3NF1GAGW
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
 RawCHS383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize384kB, MaxMultSect, MultSect
 CurCHS at 47/16/255, CurSects511760, LBA=yes, LBAsects&8435455
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
 AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
 Drive conforms to: Unspecified:  ATA/ATAPI-1 ATA/ATAPI-2 ATA/ATAPI-3
ATA/ATAPI-4 ATA/ATAPI-5 ATA/ATAPI-6 ATA/ATAPI-7
 * signifies the current active mode

[root at mythtv ~]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
 Timing cached reads:   1296 MB in  2.00 seconds  Timing buffered disk reads:  166 MB in  3.02 seconds 
vmstat 1 output:
--------------------------------------------------------------

procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system--
----cpu----
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id wa
 8  0    408   5800  29308 248604    0    0     0  1036  406   132  2 98
0  0
 4  0    408   5644  29396 248608    0    0     0  1128  437   184  2 92
0  6
 7  0    408   6316  29428 248020    0    0     0  1316  539   287  0 86
0 14
 5  0    408   6104  29480 248180    0    0     0   588  415   187  0 99
0  1
 4  0    408   5764  29536 248364    0    0     0  1092  421   172  2 97
1  0
 6  0    408   6528  29592 247684    0    0     0  1092  425   161  2 98
0  1
 2  1    408   6372  29676 247724    0    0     0  2304  385   170  2 97
1  0
 5  0    408   6400  29676 247616    0    0     0    48  383   122  0
100  0  0
 7  0    408   6192  29704 247872    0    0     0  1080  409   162  1 98
0  1
 6  0    408   5720  29732 248304    0    0     0  1076  414   178  1 98
0  1
 7  0    408   6348  29800 247552    0    0     0  1656  460   300  2 87
1 11
 5  0    408   6628  29848 247248    0    0     0  1164  407   207  1 94
0  5
 5  0    408   5884  29896 247996    0    0     4  1116  453   353  1 76
0 23
 6  0    408   5640  29868 248204    0    0     0  1052  416   132  1 99
0  0
 4  0    408   5772  29940 248104    0    0     0   648  490   314  1 84
1 14
 6  1    408   6328  30036 247464    0    0     0  1928  488   305  2 85
0 13
 4  0    408   6184  30076 247472    0    0     4   860  404   201  1 94
0  5
 4  0    408   6332  30044 247328    0    0     0  1312  429   156  1 99
0  0
 9  0    408   6120  30100 247580    0    0     0   604  494   305  3 81
1 16
 2  1    408   6460  30140 247116    0    0     0  1372  436   315  1 79
0 20
10  0    408   6252  30176 247372    0    0     0   456  412   126  1 99
0  0
 6  0    408   6432  30164 247276    0    0     4  1268  425   255  1 88
1 10
 3  0    408   5688  30220 247948    0    0     0  1332  454   352  0 78
0 22
 2  1    408   6352  30284 247124    0    0     0  1140  362   156  2 96
1  1
 5  0    408   6564  30284 246908    0    0     0    92  472   316  2 83
0 15
 5  0    408   6348  30352 247056    0    0     0  1168  506   350  0 83
0 17
 4  0    408   5604  30404 247828    0    0     4  1124  448   262  2 87
0 11
 3  0    408   5880  30444 247500    0    0     0  1104  426   315  2 77
1 20
 2  1    408   5916  30496 247352    0    0     0  1064  365   152  1 97
0  2
 7  0    408   6072  30496 247204    0    0     0   440  489   307  1 82
0 17
 6  0    408   5936  30528 247288    0    0     0   816  434   130  2 98
0  0
 4  0    408   5944  30588 247300    0    0     0  1108  359   172  0 98
0  2
 4  0    408   5664  30624 247508    0    0     0  1444  426   161  0 99
1  0
 5  0    408   6656  30608 246572    0    0     0  1220  425   163  2 98
0  1
 6  0    408   6316  30656 246848    0    0     0  1552  441   180  1 98
0  1
 4  0    408   6408  30632 246776    0    0     0   644  403   140  1 99
0  0
 9  0    408   6072  30696 247060    0    0     4   744  496   351  2 82
1 16
 5  0    408   5864  30708 247240    0    0     0  1680  509   335  1 83
1 15
procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system--
----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy
id wa
 3  1    408   6284  30768 246768    0    0     0  1132  434   328  1 76
1 22
 6  0    408   6352  30772 246692    0    0     0   576  373   170  0 93
0  7
 4  0    408   6008  30820 246932    0    0     4   612  496   322  1 83
0 16
 4  0    408   6288  30836 246600    0    0     0  1484  480   304  1 85
0 14
 4  0    408   6064  30896 246844    0    0     0  1136  504   337  1 84
1 15
 5  0    408   5728  30900 247116    0    0     4  1188  426   156  1 99
0  0
 6  0    408   5696  30968 247144    0    0     0  1104  367   123  3 97
0  0
 4  0    408   5608  31016 247144    0    0     0  1152  445   378  2 74
1 23
 7  0    408   5576  31008 247088    0    0     0   964  402   115  1 99
0  0
 4  0    408   6328  31052 246396    0    0     0   628  355   152  1 98
0  1
 5  0    408   6116  31112 246524    0    0     0  1620  472   299  2 85
1 12
 2  1    408   6336  31204 246176    0    0     0  1112  367   156  2 96
0  2
 7  0    408   6388  31176 246192    0    0     0    76  457   272  0 86
0 14
 5  0    408   6268  31232 246284    0    0     0  1136  466   267  1 85
1 13
 2  1    408   5932  31304 246616    0    0     4  2068  374   173  1 99
0  0
 6  0    408   5960  31224 246564    0    0     0   104  472   273  1 84
0 15
 6  0    408   5692  31308 246716    0    0     0  1160  412   206  2 94
0  4
 5  0    408   5600  31336 246892    0    0     4  1660  480   289  2 86
0 12
 7  0    408   6400  31336 245964    0    0     0  1052  418   160  3 97
0  0
 6  0    408   6316  31292 246136    0    0     0   512  432   127  1 99
0  0
 5  0    408   5856  31372 246528    0    0     0  1824  404   159  2 96
0  2
 3  0    408   5880  31424 246412    0    0     0  1156  454   174  1 97
1  1
 3  0    408   6024  31372 246336    0    0     0   896  399   130  0
100  0  0
 5  0    408   5812  31432 246492    0    0     0   708  413   160  1 97
0  2
 5  0    408   6396  31424 246024    0    0     0  1604  436   163  1 97
1  1
 6  1    408   6276  31492 245924    0    0   216  1176  511   409  3 82
0 15
 4  0    408   6312  31528 245944    0    0     0  1116  468   263  1 86
0 13
 1  2    408   6592  31576 245628    0    0    56  1044  343   126  0 97
0  3
 5  0    408   6312  31576 245904    0    0    32    48  427   155  0 97
0  3
 1  0    408   5816  31624 246360    0    0    72  1796  590   834  2 40
35 24
 1  1    408  16872  31704 247564    0    0  1232   248  513  1185 28  4
11 57
 1  1    408  31240  31768 248520    0    0   932    92  403   996 32  4
10 54
 1  0    408  29576  31880 248704    0    0   188   248  372   997  7  6
61 26
 1  1    408  28284  31952 249852    0    0   316   344  402   842 20 21
45 13
 0  1    408  27188  32008 250940    0    0   112   976  393   465 33 58
0  9
 5  1    408  24748  32100 253228    0    0  1212  1424  571   949 31 31
0 37
 2  0    408  23052  32156 255032    0    0   544  1036  415   351 16 80
0  4
 0  1    408  21148  32232 256808    0    0   516  1480  454   692 33 41
0 25
procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system--
----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy
id wa
 2  1    408  19616  32288 258308    0    0   576  1352  414   478 33 59
0  8
 4  0    408  18084  32348 259816    0    0   496  1344  423   524 29 56
0 15
 5  0    408  17016  32428 260844    0    0   192   812  518   574 24 63
0 13
 2  0    408  15348  32488 262444    0    0   208  1064  416   295 14 85
0  1
 5  0    408  13616  32552 264104    0    0    84  1684  497   615 32 66
0  2
 5  1    408  13496  32612 263992    0    0    92  1148  530   526 14 71
0 14
 0  1    408  13000  32784 264556    0    0    80  1240  506   504  1 59
0 40
 3  1    408  12132  32864 265324    0    0    36   612  431   438  2 65
0 34
 1  1    408  10196  33048 266960    0    0   216     4  440   565  1 60
0 39
 1  1    408   9252  33284 267768    0    0   168  2444  463   617  1 56
0 43
 0  3    408   7208  33376 269680    0    0    32  3460  459   497  1 59
0 40
 2  1    408   6416  33444 270392    0    0    24   748  448   423  0 71
0 29
 0  1    408   5976  33664 270568    0    0   220  1436  481   654  2 55
0 43
 1  0    408   6100  33700 270356    0    0     8   844  406   389  9 70
16  5
 0  0    408   5848  33732 270568    0    0     0  1128  435   401  0 72
27  1
 1  0    408   5720  33772 270664    0    0     0   852  398   350  1 73
25  1
 1  0    408   6100  33780 270320    0    0     0  1216  446   522  0 54
45  1
 3  0    408   5736  33780 270644    0    0     0  1092  475   736  0 32
67  1
 1  0    408   6372  33952 269720    0    0     0  1040  462   522  4 69
26  1
 2  0    408   6436  33944 269592    0    0     0   864  433   287  0 83
16  1
 0  0    408   5848  34024 270140    0    0     4  1232  480   701  3 39
53  5
 2  0    408   9196  33936 266612    0    0   104   212  596  1035 10 43
40  8
 3  0    408   8824  33936 267380    0    0     0   512  388    90  0
100  0  0
 4  0    408   7956  33968 268148    0    0     0   548  400   114  1 98
0  1
 2  0    408   6492  34000 269604    0    0     0   892  432   629  0 38
61  1
 2  0    408   6416  34084 269648    0    0     0  1712  403   591  0 40
58  2
 5  0    408   6612  34120 269376    0    0     0   844  447   557  1 49
49  1
 4  0    408   6424  34148 269548    0    0     0   880  465   493  0 65
35  0
 1  0    408   6336  34196 269596    0    0     0  1112  475   552  3 59
36  2
 4  1    408   6304  34340 269404    0    0     0  1668  378   316  0 78
22  0
 3  0    408   6096  34368 269608    0    0     0   308  411   625  1 38
59  2
 3  0    408   6268  34412 269372    0    0     0  1148  398   583  0 39
60  1
 5  0    408   6400  34444 269264    0    0     0   824  431   414  0 67
33  0


On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 20:12 -0700, Mike Benoit wrote:
> NOTE: I'm cc'ing this to the ReiserFS list, as it appears to be related.
> 
> I finally got around to profiling mythbackend when the load starts to
> spike up around 10. To my surprise it appears that reiserfs is the
> culprit, maybe the ReiserFS guys have some input as to what is causing
> this?
> 
> #opreport
> CPU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated)
> Profiling through timer interrupt
>           TIMER:0|
>   samples|      %|
> ------------------
>     77863 78.7856 reiserfs
>     18183 18.3984 vmlinux
>       695  0.7032 mysqld
>       452  0.4574 libc-2.4.so
>       360  0.3643 libmythtv-0.19.so.0.19.0
>       324  0.3278 ivtv
>       323  0.3268 nvidia
>       242  0.2449 libqt-mt.so.3.3.6
>       110  0.1113 libpthread-2.4.so
>        53  0.0536 libstdc++.so.6.0.8
>        35  0.0354 ld-2.4.so
>        23  0.0233 libperl.so
>        22  0.0223 libz.so.1.2.3
> <snip>
> 
> #opreport -l /usr/src/linux/vmlinux
> CPU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated)
> Profiling through timer interrupt
> samples  %        symbol name
> 9607     52.8351  default_idle
> 7694     42.3142  find_next_zero_bit
> 183       1.0064  __copy_from_user_ll
> 57        0.3135  handle_IRQ_event
> 37        0.2035  __copy_to_user_ll
> 34        0.1870  ide_outb
> 30        0.1650  ide_end_request
> 22        0.1210  ioread8
> 22        0.1210  schedule
> 21        0.1155  get_page_from_freelist
> 17        0.0935  mmx_clear_page
> <snip>
> 
> System Details:
> -----------------------------------------------
> Kernel v2.6.16.21 (custom compiled)
> - This issue also happened with 2.6.14 too though.
> 
> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda1             280G  269G   12G  97% /
> 
> [root at mythtv]# cat /proc/mounts
> rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
> /dev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0
> /dev/root / reiserfs rw,noatime,nodiratime 0 0
> 
> [root at mythtv]# cat /proc/cpuinfo
> processor       : 0
> vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
> cpu family      : 6
> model           : 6
> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2100+
> stepping        : 2
> cpu MHz         : 1759.680
> cache size      : 256 KB
> 
> [root at mythtv]# free
>              total       used       free     shared    buffers
> cached
> Mem:        515992     496256      19736          0      36256
> 271728
> -/+ buffers/cache:     188272     327720
> Swap:       262136        408     261728
> 
> 
> Syslog:
> -------------------------------------------------
> Jun 25 19:52:22 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:52:22 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:52:57 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:52:57 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:53:00 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:53:00 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:53:32 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:53:32 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:53:35 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:53:35 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:54:01 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:54:01 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:54:16 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:54:16 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:54:36 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:54:36 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:54:47 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:54:47 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:55:08 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:55:08 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:55:19 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:55:19 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:55:39 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:55:39 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:55:57 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:55:57 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:56:11 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> Jun 25 19:56:11 mythtv kernel: ivtv1: Cause: the application is not
> reading fast enough.
> Jun 25 19:56:33 mythtv kernel: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers
> are full. Dropping data.
> 
> 
> mythbackend log:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 2006-06-25 19:51:43.906 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:44.836 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:44.842 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:45.022 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:45.028 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:46.123 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:46.129 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:47.500 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:48.094 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:48.099 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:48.370 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:48.376 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:48.922 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:48.928 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:50.650 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:50.657 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:50.660 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:50.697 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:52.195 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:52.201 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:52.450 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:52.457 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:54.369 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:54.375 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:54.644 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:54.650 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:55.423 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:55.429 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:56.057 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:56.063 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:56.481 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 2006-06-25 19:51:56.487 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND begin cnt(2048)
> free(2047)
> 2006-06-25 19:51:57.746 TFW, Error: Write() -- IOBOUND end
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 12:58 -0500, Stuart Larson wrote:
> > I've seen this sort of behavior when recoding or transcoding (doesn't seem
> > to make a difference which) when my free space on drive was close to what
> > Myth is set to keep free - I have Myth set to keep 20G free, and when it
> > reached around 22-23G free, I started seeing this behavior (I'm running
> > reiserfs, so the xfs space-free thing shouldn't be an issue).  Not sure if
> > it would be related...  The recordings did work fine (PVR-250), but
> > watching while recording doesn't work very well.
> > 
> > > I'm seeing something very familiar, mythbackend uses about 100% CPU
> > > during a recording and though not always, I sometimes see IOBOUND errors
> > > in the log. I have transcode/commflag jobs set to run after midnight
> > > each day, and no other processes are using CPU while mythbackend is
> > > hogging it all.
> > >
> > > The weird thing is my box was running fine for a few months prior to a
> > > power outage. After the outage I booted up the box and I started to
> > > notice IVTV buffer overflows happening during every recording causing
> > > the load to spike up to 10+ during each recording. The recording was
> > > useless of course too. This was with IVTV 0.4.1 on a PVR-500.
> > >
> > > So I decided to upgrade to IVTV 0.4.5 to see if that solved the problem.
> > > Well, I no longer see IVTV buffer overflow messages in the log, but now
> > > mythbackend uses 100% CPU. I upgraded to the latest SVN snapshot of
> > > 019-fixes branch to see if that helped at all, but it didn't.
> > >
> > > So now mythbackend uses 100% CPU, the recordings seem to be working
> > > fine, but I can't watch any recordings while this is happening.
> > >
> > > I'm running an Athlon 2100 with kernel 2.6.14.
> > >
> > > Just last week I could have two recordings going at once, mythcomm flag
> > > running in real-time, and two frontends both watching recordings with no
> > > issues at all. Now one recording at a time and NOTHING else is all that
> > > can happen. :(
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what I can do to try and track this issue down?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 06:41 -0400, Jeff wrote:
> > >> On 6/15/06, Ryan Steffes <rbsteffes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Do you, by any chance, have a slave to offload the transcode onto?
> > >> Try
> > >> > disabling transcode jobs on that backend, and see if it comes back.
> > >> Mine
> > >> > hasn't since then, even though it's a less than ideal fix.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> For the most part I don't do transcoding. I do have a 'transcode for
> > >> ipod'
> > >> job which seems to have gotten itself attached to every recording (it
> > >> was
> > >> only supposed to be one show) but I don't think its working at the
> > >> moment.
> > >>
> > >> I do commercial flagging though at the end of each show.
> > >>
> > >> I can try moving this to a slave backend.
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