[mythtv-users] More feature requests

S. Baker bakers at erols.com
Sun Mar 28 16:19:37 EST 2004

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Scott Rowe wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org 
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org] On Behalf Of J. 
> > Donavan Stanley
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:46 AM
> > To: Discussion about mythtv
> > Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] More feature requests
> <snip>
> > *sigh* the novel unique, *visionary* ideas are RARE.  
> > Spouting off a list of "I wants" or "wouldn't it be cool ifs" 
> > is not quite what one would call a contribution.
> That's UAT. If User A wants a feature that's already there, then the
> documentation needs work, or a UI isn't clear. If the feature isn't there,
> then that gives the visionary ideas on where the product should go next. It
> is a contribution (maybe not what you want, but like I said, someone's
> keeping track.)
> > While there may not be 
> > >people exclusively devoted to each of these roles right now, 
> > someone is 
> > >performing them (Isaac, Jarrod, Axel, et al, remove all 
> > those hats and 
> > >take a bow.)
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > That's right, that's why I suggested ways to actually 
> > contribute instead of making feature requests.  But hey, it's 
> > a lot easier to "contribute" 
> > by list of your visionary ideas than it is to spend all day 
> > trying to come up with the exact steps needed to reproduce a 
> > bug or writing up documentation isn't it?
> If a user doesn't have the expertise to code, then they probably don't have
> the expertise to write documentation. (Or the documentation they produce
> might be of questionable value.) Same thing for the steps to reproduce.
> Maybe it takes talking to the person reporting the bug to better determine
> what the circumstances were that led to the problem. Maybe the user doesn't
> have the ability to determine what's relevant ('Gee, I was recording a show
> on a Wednesday, could that be the problem?') 
> > While I wouldn't mind the toys, I don't list any OSS work on 
> > my resume and it only gets casually mentioned in interviews.  
> > Working OSS projects is a big negative to lots of potential 
> > employers if you're an engineer.  
> > But then again, it'd be Isaac getting the toys not me since 
> > I'm just a bit player.
> Sure, some companies frown on it- keep looking. You'd probably find that
> working for a company that values and appreciates OSS work is a better fit,
> anyway!! 
> > 
> > >So where is mythTV in that process? I'd say close to the end of that 
> > >list of steps. We've seen the flood of newbies who are encouraged by 
> > >the HOWTOs and such, there are at least three companies 
> > commercializing 
> > >myth, and developers are being called by hardware 
> > manufacturers to demo 
> > >myth. Not that the 'end' means anything- it's an iterative cycle 
> > >feeding on positive feedback.
> > >  
> > >
> > There's also lots of companies that are or soon will be 
> > selling MythTV based products.  They are the ones that'll 
> > take these feature requests as market research and do 
> > something about them.  But spouting off a list of feature 
> > requests, calling it contributing and then complaining when 
> > none the developers (who are working for free and get nothing 
> > in return for more users except more feature requests) don't 
> > jump right on it is just silly.
> I know it's frustrating, but it's all in the mind set. If it's not your
> itch, ignore it. As to the original poster complaining, he (or she- not sure
> about S. Baker, if a she, my apologies) said:
> 	> I didn't get much response from the last email 
> 	> I sent about feature requests; perhaps it was 
> 	> because it appeared in the archives as though 
> 	> it was a reply to a different topic?  Is there 
> 	> something that has to be included in the email 
> 	> to make a new topic start?
> Looks like he's just looking for validation.. Good idea? Bad idea? Already
> there, but not sure where it is? Point 1. is already in CVS (apparently),
> point 2. seems novel, and point 3. seems logical. So the user is saying
> 'sorry, I'm not sure how the list works, here's some ideas I had.' Seems to
> me that if the person is thinking about regular expressions, it might be a
> person interested in / capable of actually coding it. Maybe the person was
> just asking if anyone would be interested in it so that they would know if
> it was worth their time to code it. (I'm not saying this is so, just
> positing a possible scenario.)
> -Scott

Thanks for the mostly correct interpretation.  Since there appears to
be some confusion as to exactly what I meant by my questions, I will
reiterate in a form that the people who misunderstood might be able
to comprehend:

1.  I posted before, and saw no response.  I noticed that for some
reason that post was put in the archive as though it were a reply 
to some other post (the email I received had no indication of that,
though, so I didn't understand what happened).  Since most other feature
requests garner at least one or two replies, I was concerned that no-one
had seen it.

2.  I meant my post as a pure feature request at this time.  I did start 
to look at the code to see if I could implement the zoom feature at the
time I first proposed it, but I just don't have the kind of time right
now.  Especially starting from no knowledge of the code.

Which leads me back to my first thought when writing this reply:  I want 
to thank (not) the extremely unhelpful first reply to my email (I'm 
not even going to bother going to look up who it was).  If you had
really wanted me to produce code, you would have said something 
helpful, like giving some ideas on how to implement it and where to
look in the myth code.  What you said, something to the effect of
'go write it', was not helpful, productive, or in any way conducive
to getting the job done.  It was just petty.

I do want to thank all the people who have worked hard on this project.
My MythTV is currently down trying to change from mandrake 9.2 to 
fedora to try to get rid of the frequent crashing that seems to be
caused by the nvidia driver.  I'm not sure that fedora is going to
help, since I recently found a very repeatable way to crash it, that
has nothing whatsoever to do with MythTV.  I look forward to finding
a solution that works for me and getting back to using, and perhaps 
in the future developing for this wonderful project.

S. Baker
bakers at erols.com

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