[mythtv-users] Re: [mythtv] Isaac's unemployment
kr at cybsft.com
Wed Mar 10 09:51:45 EST 2004
> At 11:29 PM 3/9/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>> K.R. Foley wrote:
>>> While I agree that some of the things mentioned above would be nice
>>> to have, I wonder if this is one of the reasons that some folks may
>>> be uncomfortable taking donations. Please don't misunderstand, I am
>>> not trying to single out either of the above authors, just replying
>>> to get this in the thread.
>>> Is it possible that some folks are uncomfortable with taking
>>> donations because they are afraid that these donations may be used to
>>> try to steer development? I don't think there is anything wrong with
>>> a developer agreeing to prioritize tasks based on donations/bids, but
>>> some developers may not want to go that route. I personally don't
>>> think that should be a reason not to accept donations. Just make it
>>> known up front that donations won't steer development.
>>> just my $.02,
>> I competely agree with kr, I think this notion of a bounty system is a
>> horrible idea and is the opposite of what OSS dev is all about.
>> However, I do strongly agree with an option for donating money to a
>> central account as it will do a few things:
>> 1) Help show the support in a monetary way
>> 2) Help compensate for any costs this project may create
>> 3) And most of all, provide funding for developers that are writing
>> hardware specific code and/or want to test as much hardware as
>> possible without spending a fortune out of their own pocket
>> Also, I can see how one (Isaac, for example) taking all the money
>> himself may be in conflict of interest with the rest of the developers
>> working their asses off, but as the father and creator of this
>> project, I think Isaac "does" have the ultimate decision on this matter.
> I disagree that a bounty system conflicts with what OSS is all about.
> A bounty system serves lots of purposes and I think it may be part of what
> enables OSS to compete with COTS products. This has been said before but
> OSS is not about free as in free beer, its about free as in freedom.
> For instance, if I'm using an OSS project to run my organization I may
> not have the funding available to hire a programming staff or I may not be
> able to find people with the necessary skill set in my part of the
> world. Does this
> mean I shouldn't use an OSS solution? Perhaps OSS is the only thing I can
> afford (think third world countries). The bounty system provides a
> mechanism by
> which I can "hire others" to do the work that I need. There's no
> guarantee but
> hopefully if my need is general enough, others will "chime" in and
> hopefully it
> will get done. If I need it badly enough, perhaps I can fund it entirely
> Everyone benefits from this work as it becomes part of the OSS code base.
> Even OSS programmers need to eat and this may be a mechanism where people
> can make a living in the OSS world instead of treating this as a hobby they
> spend their spare time on. That can only benefit the OSS software, no?
> I'm not saying that a bounty system is right for MythTV, just that I
> don't think
> it conflicts with the principles of OSS.
Agreed. Let me re-state my position as I am not sure, from some of the
responses directly to my post (not Jeff's response above), that I was
1) I have no problem with Issac (or other developers) receiving
donations of any sort with no strings attached.
2) I have no problem with a bounty system, if that's what the mythtv
3) I have no problem with a pledge/voting/bidding system that drives the
development, if that's what the mythtv developers want.
4) I have no problem with someone offering to pay the developers an
amount for a feature that they want, if that's what the developers want.
5) I have no problem with a company offering to pay Isaac (or other
developers) a nice salary to work on mythtv full-time and by doing so in
turn they really drive the direction of mythtv development, if that's
what the developers want.
I have no problems with any of this and think it would be great if Isaac
and others could make a living working on what they enjoy doing, if
that's what they want. The point I was trying to make in my original
post is that not all developers want THEIR projects being controlled by
outside sources nor do they want to listen to "well I donated some money
so my feature request should take precedence over yours". If they do
then I don't have a problem with it. It's their choice.
I work for a living as do most of the rest of us here. I enjoy
contributing when/where I can to oss and helping others, but make no
mistake about it, feeding my family comes first. I do not think that
good software has to be free ($). That's how I make my living. I don't
think that there is anything wrong with making money on open source
software, quite the contrary.
kr at cybsft.com
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