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    <p>On 12/12/2021 12:37, Rudy Zijlstra wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12-12-2021 13:20, James wrote:<br>
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            <div class="">On 12 Dec 2021, at 8:00 pm, <a
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                  <blockquote type="cite" class="">Before formally
                    retiring mythweb on RPM Fusion as it doesn't work
                    with the latest PHP I wanted to confirm that it will
                    not be updated.<br class="">
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                  I can't find the reference, but the last statement by
                  the<br class="">
                  devs that I recall was that mythweb was considered<br
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                  depreciated, and that while pull requests would be<br
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                  considered, do not expect updates/fixes.<br class="">
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                  And there are no pull requests in the repo for php 8<br
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                  support (and no one has indicated they are actively<br
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                  working on it, although who knows if someone is<br
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                  doing so).<br class="">
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                  With the (upcoming) v32, it has been stated that the<br
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                  plan was that a new (internal) replacement will be
                  made<br class="">
                  available which includes the equivalent functionality,<br
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                  which is where I suspect most dev time is going
                  towards.<br class="">
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                  An alternative for those that are running newer<br
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                  distros that use php 8 could be to build your<br
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                  own php 7 (likely painful) or run a container<br
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                  with apache and php 7 (lots of recipes out there<br
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                  to do so).<br class="">
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                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                  inline !important;" class="">There was a PR but looks
                  like it got closed because of an undisclosed<span
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                  inline !important;" class="">issue with it.</span><br
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                <a href="https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/issues/63"
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                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
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                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">The hope is to retire
                  MythWeb and create a new web frontend that as well<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">as incorporating the
                  features of MythWeb and/or WebFrontend it would<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">also incorporate a new
                  Web Setup stuff allowing the backend to be<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
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                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
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                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">configured from a browser
                  or another client that uses the Services API<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
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                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
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                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
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                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">so mythtv-setup can be
                  removed.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">The current plan is to
                  write the new web backend using Angular that will<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
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                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
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                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
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                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">use the Services API
                  exclusively and not require direct access to the<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
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                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
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                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">MythTV database or the
                  Myth protocol.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
                  0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 24px;
                  font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                  font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                  text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                  none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                  -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration:
                  none;" class="">
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">If there are any
                  developers familiar with Angular would like to help
                  out<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
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                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
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                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Helvetica; font-size: 24px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">with this then please get
                  in touch :)</span><br class="">
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        <div>Some time ago I very rudely described WebFrontend as being
          for the mobile phone set.</div>
        <div>I too use MythWeb exclusively because it just works.</div>
        <div><br class="">
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        <div>I want a tool that does my task, with a minimum of fuss and
          without impressing me as to how clever or artisticly talented
          the programmers are. If WebFrontend meets those critera  then
          good else we have a situtation where developer talent is
          diluted trying to maintain MythWeb</div>
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      in my quick testing from yesterday webfrontend on 31 results in
      many crashes. mythweb simply works<br>
      <br>
      Cheers<br>
      <br>
      Rudy<br>
      <br>
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    <p>I think I need to clear something up both MythWeb and the current
      WebFrontend are depreciated and will be replaced by the new
      WebFrontend that will also incorporate the new Web Setup stuff.
      Exactly how that will look like and feel like is undecided. It
      will likely use Angular and Material but even that is open for
      discussion. <br>
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    <p><br>
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    <p>Like I've said before I don't use either, for me it dilutes what
      MythTV was originally supposed to be :( . <br>
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    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>All I'm trying to do is to move things along and get devs and
      users motivated to work on it. It's hard enough to get people
      motivated and the negative vibe from this thread really isn't
      going to improve that.</p>
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    <p>Paul H.    <br>
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