[mythtv] Commercial replacement instead of skipping
luitjens at cs.utah.edu
luitjens at cs.utah.edu
Wed Feb 28 16:03:08 UTC 2007
Doing it automatically would have problems because the commercial
flagging is not 100% correct. In fact for a lot of the shows I record
commercial flagging is only correct probably around 60% of the time.
Hal Lightwood wrote:
> Great discussion everyone, thank you for all your replies. Yes, I
> agree, as most have pointed out, this is not something most Myth users
> would want as most of us do not ever watch Live TV, including myself.
> This is only a feature that would be occasionally used for Live events
> such as sports or awards shows or to allow children to watch Live TV
> unsupervised without worrying about them being exposed to
> commercials. Delaying watching for 10 minutes would be acceptable and
> you would never "catch up" because it would always be 10 minutes behind.
> Craig, you suggested that this can be done but would require pressing
> a button to switch back and forth. Ideally it would be automatic,
> especially if this is being used when children might be watching TV
> unsupervised, I don't want them to see commercials but I wouldn't
> trust a 5 year old to actually press the button.
> Dave has suggested that the flag at the start of a commercial is all
> that would be needed thus negated the requirement to run 10 minutes
> delay as well, does anyone else agree with that?
> If this can be done I am prepared to offer a bounty for it as well!
> On 2/28/07, *Dave Oxley* <dave at daveoxley.co.uk
> <mailto:dave at daveoxley.co.uk>> wrote:
> I think there's a trick being missed here. If you're watching live tv
> and an advert comes on and when it does you hit a button to switch to
> different content, then this can be used as the flag for the start of
> the commercial rather than the automated commflag. Well, you may
> want it
> to run 3 or 4 seconds either side of when the button was pressed
> to work
> out the accurate position, but you certainly won't need the end of
> commercial in order to work out (or validate) the beginning of the
> Craig Boline wrote:
> > Would either of these concepts solve the issue -
> > 1: There could be a way to play mythvideo items, and prior
> recordings though picture in picture - then switch back when the
> commercial is over.
> > 2: Same sort of idea as above, except the commercial flagger
> switches back when it finds the end of the commercial. For example
> - you are watching mythbusters... a commercial shows up and you
> hit a button on the remote and start watching your other
> content. Then the commercial flagger follows behind. As soon as
> it logs a commercial (begin and end), Mythfrontend notices and
> asks if you would like to switch back to your mythbusters. This
> continues, when a commercial shows up - hit the button - continue
> where you left off on your alternative content - switch back...
> > Thanks,
> > Craig.
> > On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:23:55 -0800, Brad DerManouelian
> <myth at dermanouelian.com <mailto:myth at dermanouelian.com>> wrote:
> >> On Feb 27, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Peter Schachte wrote:
> >>> Brad DerManouelian wrote:
> >>>> On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Hal Lightwood wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Brad, thanks for the reply. Watching LiveTV with a 15
> >>>>> delay isn't too bad, but do you think we could alter
> commflag so
> >>>>> that it could replace the commercials instead of skip them? If
> >>>>> commflag takes alot of CPU we'll just make sure we have a
> very fast
> >>>>> computer so it can do it quickly. What do you think?
> >>>> I don't see the use case here. If you watch the program delayed
> >>>> enough for the commflagger to do its job, there is no time to
> >>>> something else. It just skips right to the next scene of your
> >>>> program.
> >>> I think Hal's point is that by *replacing* commercials with
> some other
> >>> equal-length programming while watching, and assuming the
> >>> commflagger could run
> >>> at real-time speed, you would be in a steady state. So you
> >>> wouldn't have to be
> >>> 8 minutes ahead for every 30 minutes of program, you'd just
> have to
> >>> be far
> >>> enough ahead for the commflagger's output to be available.
> >>> Essentially, as I
> >>> understand the OP, you'd just be watching slightly delayed from
> >>> real time, and
> >>> when a commercial came on, rather than skipping over it, myth
> >>> show some
> >>> other programming until the commercial finished.
> >>> Sounds like a good idea to me. It would make watching live TV
> >>> more
> >>> palatable if you could be watching some other recording during the
> >>> commercials.
> >>> But I don't think many myth users, and particularly myth
> >>> developers, use live
> >>> TV much, so I don't think anyone will be rushing to implement it.
> >>> Hal, I would suggest adding this to the feature wishlist on the
> >>> myth wiki.
> >>> Probably
> >>> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_Wishlist_%
> >>> 28Frontend_Addons%29#LiveTV_.2F_View_Recording
> >>> would be the most appropriate place.
> >> I understand his intent, I just don't understand how it would even
> >> possibly be implemented considering the fact that the comm flagger
> >> takes into account both what it sees at the start and end of a
> >> commercial break to determine if it's a valid commercial break. If
> >> you run it real-time, there's no end yet, so it would never
> tell you
> >> there is a commercial until it was over. Even if you could somehow
> >> predict that your commercial start flag is valid without seeing the
> >> end of the commercial, you'd then need a way to pick what to watch
> >> while the commercial was playing. Seems like a whole lot of
> work just
> >> to avoid not waiting a little while longer to watch your program.
> >> I guess I'm just confused why people still insist on letting
> >> directors control their personal time. I don't even think about
> >> time programs are on any more. I just watch when I feel like it.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> mythtv-dev mailing list
> >> mythtv-dev at mythtv.org <mailto:mythtv-dev at mythtv.org>
> >> http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-dev
> > _______________________________________________
> > mythtv-dev mailing list
> > mythtv-dev at mythtv.org <mailto:mythtv-dev at mythtv.org>
> > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-dev
> mythtv-dev mailing list
> mythtv-dev at mythtv.org <mailto:mythtv-dev at mythtv.org>
> mythtv-dev mailing list
> mythtv-dev at mythtv.org
More information about the mythtv-dev