[mythtv] RE: [ANNOUNCE] torrentocracy = rss + bit torrent + myth

Boyd II, Willy wboyd at fulbright.com
Wed Jun 23 11:11:45 EDT 2004

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>[mailto:mythtv-dev-bounces at mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Joseph A. Caputo
>Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:37 AM
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>Subject: Re: [mythtv] RE: [ANNOUNCE] torrentocracy = rss + bit 
>torrent + myth
>On Wednesday 23 June 2004 05:39, Tako Schotanus wrote:
>> J. Donavan Stanley wrote:
>> > Gary Lerhaupt wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 2004-06-22 at 17:23, J. Donavan Stanley wrote:
>> >>> Most of the developers, and Isaac for sure, want as much 
>> >>> between Myth and this tool.
>> >>
>> >> All I can do is to continue to develop on my own (and any 
>who wish 
>> >> to help) in order to prove to you that Torrentocracy will not 
>> >> enable/promote/encourage the illegal trading of media.  
>There is a 
>> >> larger picture here and its called the public domain.  Perhaps if 
>> >> you reconsider the value of this in the future, you'll reconsider 
>> >> your distance.
>> >
>> > The problem is that while you or I might use such a tool 
>for public 
>> > domain and other legal content the vast majority will not. 
>> > Tottentocracy, and by extension myth, will be "that thing you can 
>> > run on your TV and steal TV shows" in the eyes of the 
>masses. We'll 
>> > attract new users for no reason other than the lure of
>> > sharing HDTV content.   So no I don't think the distance will be
>> > reconsidered, considering that people are already talking about 
>> > sharing HDTV content there's not enough public domain stuff out 
>> > there that I need BT on my TV.
>> Real life example: my father would LOVE a Myth box. But he 
>only wants 
>> MythMusic. Why? Because it's so easy to use: you just pop in 
>a CD, you 
>> let it rip to harddisk and you never have to search anymore 
>for the CD 
>> trying to read the small letters on the side (my father is not very 
>> organized so needs to read the titles to find his CDs).
>> Now this in itself is already illegal in some countries, but there's 
>> more.
>> He can already imagine friends or family coming over with 
>CDs he likes 
>> and he could just make a copy. Fortunately for him this is perfectly 
>> legal here (although those laws were obviously not made for the 
>> digital age we now live in) but in a lot of countries this is quite 
>> illegal.
>> So I'm afraid Myth already has the name of enabling illegal 
>> ;-)
>> About sharing: am I wrong in my understanding that the Bittorrent 
>> module has no way of publizicing the content? I know that when you 
>> start downloading something you automatically participate in the 
>> distribution but will the module also export any recordings you have 
>> made yourself?
>I think you're right.  The problem is that as soon as anyone hears the 
>term "P2P", they freak out.  BitTorrent is a method of using P2P for 
>network-optimal distribution of data, but unlike KaZaa or other P2P 
>file-sharing networks, it does not facilitate public sharing of that 
>content.  The 'advertising' of available content must still be done in 
>more mundane ways (i.e., post it in some public forum like a web site 
>or ML).  In terms of architecture, yes, BT is P2P, but in terms of 
>usefulness, BT is more often seen as a successor to FTP than anything 
>else.  Would anyone be complaining about piracy if someone 
>built an FTP 
>client (or even server) capability into Myth?

Yes, he's right.  The torrents still need to be advertised somewhere,
and that's not handled by BitTorrent at all (in this case looks like
they're using RSS feeds).  So in a small way this is like the
MythBrowser or mythnews, no?

Ya know, I heard there's this little protocol call http that lets data
move from one machine to another.  I bet I could "share" files using
that new-fangled http, or find links to filez.  Someone should write an
http client or myth.  Oh.  Wait. Nevermind.

Some people just tend to get their panties in a twist when they hear
BitTorrent, or worse "p2p".  Oh well...  

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